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NOVEMBER 3 VICTOR ECHO MIKE

ham radio Projects and musings from a (Relatively) new operator

Revisiting the unun

3/20/2016

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     If you look back at my post about the MFJ unun that I am using to help match my Hamsticks, you might see that I got a couple different bits of feedback.  The basic question I had asked is this:  When matching an antenna is it better to start at lowest SWR or Resonance?  The method I ended up using that I described in that post was starting from Resonance - mainly because that seems to be the suggestion from K0BG on his website - plus it had some other advantages that made me lean towards that method.
     Like many things, there is a lot of back forth when questions like these come up.  There are things like questions about how much it really matters when you consider how compromised a mobile antenna is, where is the matching device located, how long is the coax, etc.  With that in mind, I'm considering a small experiment:
     Because the Hamsticks use the whip at the top for tuning, the matching I did, starting from resonance, is a combination of the setting on the matching unit, and the length of the whip.  I could unscrew the whip part, and set it aside, and screw in a separate whip, and do the whole matching process again, but starting from low SWR.  Doing this would give me a way to compare the two methods because I could quickly swap the Antenna back and forth between one matched starting from resonance, and one matched starting from low SWR.  I have an inexpensive meter that I can use to measure field strength - it doesn't give absolute values, but I could set it based on the first antenna arrangement, and then compare the second antenna.  The process would go like this:
  1. Put in the whip matched from resonance, and set the MFJ matching unit to the appropriate setting.
  2. Put the field strength meter some set distance from the antenna (15 feet?)
  3. Transmit a carrier on low power - maybe 5 or 10 watts
  4. Calibrate the field strength meter to mid-scale
  5. Switch to the second whip, matched from low SWR, and set the MFJ matching unit to the appropriate setting.
  6. Transmit a carrier on the same low power setting as step 3
  7. Compare the reading on the field strength meter
     Does this sound like it would be a reasonable comparative test, or am I missing anything important?  I think by following these steps I'll have a "controlled" experiment, and I'll have a fairly objective way to measure the results, other than just asking someone "how do I sound now?"  Thoughts?  Comments?  Should I go for it?
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WR2E
3/22/2016 18:02:50

I'm interested in what you find.

I'm somewhat dubious that the 'near field' strength is going to tell you much. Using field strength measurements to judge an antenna system really requires many multiple readings from various distances, compass points, and altitudes. Even your body moving through the field will likely change the results too. Don't NOT do it though because ANY data is better than NONE!

Since you have two whips, it will indeed be interesting to see what (if any) difference you come up with on the length of the two whips in the end.

You mentioned in the earlier post something that might be meaningful.

The MFJ device you have is intended for stepping DOWN I believe you said.

If the lowest SWR point means that you have to step UP, you may not be able to get a match without turning the unit around, and that's a PITA.

I think the bottom line is going to be to do whatever you need to do to acquire a good match to make the transmitter happy.

You might just end up with a screwdriver antenna, or an automatic tuning unit in the end.

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Vance - N3VEM
3/22/2016 21:03:31

It will be an interesting exercise (once I get around to it!). I do suspect though, as you suggest, that I won't find any measureable difference. Half the fun of this stuff for me is just trying it, to see what happens. As you suggested, the plan is to eventually switch to a screwdriver - if you look at any of the posts with pictures of the antenna mounts you'll see that the mount the hamsticks get put on is quite a bit bigger than what would be needed for hamstick or whip antenna's - that's so that I can make the switch at some point in the (hopefully not to distant) future.

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